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The 13th Grade's avatar

Very interesting perspective that I had not thought of before. I have thought of the South as a fallen civilization for a long time, but the idea of the North as one is new. The civilization that conquered mine, destroyed by its own toxic ideology.

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Immigrants aren't Americans by nationality (obviously). At the other extreme, there aren't many who can say all their ancestors were (unhypehated) Americans, as the term was meant at the time, in 1776 or 1789. "American" nationality is not binary, but varies from 0% to 100%; it is not at all dependent on ideas or citizenship or birthplace, but only on blood, as with every nationality.

I say that anybody with no ancestors eligible to vote in US elections before 1848 (after Texas and Florida became states, but before the end of the Mexican-American War) is not American by nationality at all, regardless of citizenship. In 1840 there were fewer than 10k Jews in the US, mostly families of slave-traders and cotton factors in the mid-Atlantic and South. At the time, and most places for over 100 years after, e.g. in the USSR, "Jewish" was a nationality. Not "was considered", *was*, and still is, for those of completely Jewish ancestry going back centuries.

Very few of today's "Americans" in the big cities of the North have any such pre-1848 US ancestry.

Using the word "American" for immigrants with no Colonial ancestry, or "British" for those with no British ancestry (before 1600, at the latest) is a genocidal lie, meant to erase our peoples so that the invaders can claim we never existed at all.

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